Tilting buckets,the market.

[Wee Jim]

Right sir I am interested in a tilting bucket for my JCB 8018! How much roughly would it cost I have a ditching bucket that has the brackets cut off that I could send you to work on of your interested?

[Wee Jim]

Do you use it much?
Have many people admired its usefulness?

Yeah I used it a lot! Is a great thing to have. The more you can get your machine to do the better in my book! Yeah folks have admired how handy it is for raking and I use it as a riddle bucket too!

[245dlc]

I have been considering getting a 1.5-2.5 tonne machine and inquired about tilt buckets available locally, I think the highest price I've been quoted was about $2,000 Cad. I was told the minimum width they can make them is about 30 inches in order to have sufficent room to mount a ram. Normally the favoured tilt bucket here is on a machine ranging in size from about 14 tonne to 35 tonne and uses two large diameter single acting rams, this eliminates any special valving commonly found on mass produced buckets. Plus the larger ram can withstand more abuse. But with mini-excavators becoming more popular over tractor backhoes it is becoming the norm to see a tilt bucket on a mini. I used one on a five tonner a few years ago I think it was about 30 inches wide and custom made but again due to space limitations it had a single double acting ram. I have seen these however all over the net which could help with that space limitation problem if anybody is looking to build their own I don't have much knowledge on them and how strong they are but it's a start.

http://www.helac.com/products-servic...ary-actuators/

[Vinpetrol]

I had thought of that but felt it could be in the way when fitting/removing the bucket from the machine.
That leads me to another question.Technically the cylinder should have a cross line relief valve to keep it where you set it but most tiltys don`t have them and they tend to get removed from the ones that do have them.
I can understand the problem which seems to be that with the valve fitted there is problems with the cylinder barrelling.This is because the oil is trapped in the cylinder by the valve and if it gets over pressurised by say the operator pressing down with a corner of the bucket it has nowhere to go but past the piston.
This can be avoided by fitting a cylinder that is man enough for the job but then cost comes in to it and the answer seems to be leave the valve out and let the machine relief valve take care of any pressure spikes in the system.
What`s the thoughts on that?

I couldn't find emoticon for over my head ! I don't know about the tech side but I had one on a 13 tonne duck and done thousands hours with it with no probs and it was very Heath Robinson . I don't recall any valves on it . In fact I think I have a pic of it somewhere , if I find it tomorrow I will post it .

Vin

[jackpreacher]

...possibly the additional weight [turning moment] at the end of the boom/lifting arm of a tilt-o-vator on a small machine would offset any real advantages. Someone mentioned pallet toes, or pallet forks in P&C recently and it got me thinking that maybe i could offload the wood pellet flatbed with my EC15B if I fabricated some.....but on second thoughts the weight the EC15 could balance on a pallet would be puny..........correct?

[Gridley]

I have a rake for mine there is a thread on here somewhere about its with pics!

Do you use it much?
Have many people admired its usefulness?

[Gridley]

You could mount the ram vertically

Vin

I had thought of that but felt it could be in the way when fitting/removing the bucket from the machine.
That leads me to another question.Technically the cylinder should have a cross line relief valve to keep it where you set it but most tiltys don`t have them and they tend to get removed from the ones that do have them.
I can understand the problem which seems to be that with the valve fitted there is problems with the cylinder barrelling.This is because the oil is trapped in the cylinder by the valve and if it gets over pressurised by say the operator pressing down with a corner of the bucket it has nowhere to go but past the piston.
This can be avoided by fitting a cylinder that is man enough for the job but then cost comes in to it and the answer seems to be leave the valve out and let the machine relief valve take care of any pressure spikes in the system.
What`s the thoughts on that?

[Wee Jim]

The big question is what price would they sell for.

I have an idea what they would cost to make but would need to do some work on the cylinder pricing.
I really need to make a few and see how it goes but finding the time is the problem.I also want to do a rake for small machines.
I wouldn`t want to go bigger than five tonnes though as I have a customer who makes the bigger ones.

I have a rake for mine there is a thread on here somewhere about its with pics!

[Vinpetrol]

You could mount the ram vertically

Vin

[Gridley]

From an engineering point of view would you have sufficient room on the bucket top to attach a ram/s of suitable size and stroke to achieve a reasonable tilt angle??

That is the $64,000 question.If the smallest one was 36" for a 1.5 ton machine it could be done but would be costly.
40 - 48" would be easier to work in.
My thoughts are that it needs to get close to 45 degrees tilt but 50 would be even better.

[Vinpetrol]

Imwould be putting it on my 1.5 tonner. I find everyone underestimates what can be achieved with a 1.5 ton digger in the right hands!

Sorry Jim , your probably right . I'm just thinking from my own biased perspective where I use my 2.7 toner for everything mini related unless it won't fit then I hire a 1 or 1.5

Vin

[Gridley]

Hi Gridley

i agree with Muz but it would be difficult to achieve some of the steeper angles with blade and offset .

like Jim I want one too, although I wouldn't bother with anything less than 2.5 tonne as tilty would be generally used for reinstating and 1.5 toners not normally doing much of this type of work .

Roughly what price do you think they could be manufactured for ?
If you need a guinea pig to try one out I'm yer man

The big question is what price would they sell for.

I have an idea what they would cost to make but would need to do some work on the cylinder pricing.
I really need to make a few and see how it goes but finding the time is the problem.I also want to do a rake for small machines.
I wouldn`t want to go bigger than five tonnes though as I have a customer who makes the bigger ones.

[Stock]

From an engineering point of view would you have sufficient room on the bucket top to attach a ram/s of suitable size and stroke to achieve a reasonable tilt angle??

[Wee Jim]

Hi Gridley

i agree with Muz but it would be difficult to achieve some of the steeper angles with blade and offset .

like Jim I want one too, although I wouldn't bother with anything less than 2.5 tonne as tilty would be generally used for reinstating and 1.5 toners not normally doing much of this type of work .

Roughly what price do you think they could be manufactured for ?
If you need a guinea pig to try one out I'm yer man

Imwould be putting it on my 1.5 tonner. I find everyone underestimates what can be achieved with a 1.5 ton digger in the right hands!

[Gridley]

It may well be to much for my engineering skills though!

Good.